October 23, 2007
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A far cry from “oh baby, baby”
Say what you want about Britney Spears, but when it comes to her new CD, she hardly sounds like the trainwreck we’ve seen in the tabloids throughout the past year.
Starting this morning (not that I was refreshing the page at 10:02 wondering when they would put it online), VH1 is offering a stream of the whole CD, and I feel like everyone should listen to it at least once to officially judge it and her current stance. Not every song is perfect, but the overall feel is consistent and unlike her past two haphazard albums – that is, without coherence between tracks. My favorites so far are the back-to-back songs Hot As Ice and Ooh Ooh Baby.
And while it’s easy to say that it’s not really her – it’s ProTools – on the whole album or that she’s overprocessed and doesn’t really have any creative control over what she does, there’s a noticeable difference in the music presented. Whereas the previous vocals sounded forced and out of range, it seems as though Miss Brit actually (gasp) lets go this time around. “Brit lets her hair down” would be another way to put it, but there’s not much to let down right now . . .
Listening this morning also made me think about how we perceive artists (some people are going to argue that she’s not actually an artist, but bear with me) inside and outside of their work. I love Woody Allen’s films, and anytime I mention work he’s been involved in, the conversation inevitably veers toward his admittedly odd family life. Does Annie Hall have anything to do with Soon-Yi? No . . .
But do you consider an artist’s full “self” when you take in what they offer? Should you?
Comments (78)
Oh, yes, all is okay, just missing my granddaughters after almost a month of caring for them. They are now once again 12 hours away! We miss them unbelievably so.
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Britney tanked her career even before her “breakdown.” She hasn’t put out anything good since her second album.
I’ve never been a fan of Britney Spears. Pop’s never been my thing. But for some reason I learned to respect her for shaving her head. I don’t care what kind of mental state she declared herself to be in, it was a cool, brave move.
Anyway, I’ll definitely listen to the album. For some reason I’ve been wanting to anyway.
I won’t… Basically plain and simple. She’s a frightening kid trapped in a body of a pornstar. I don’t like pop either because it’s just computerized effects, crappy stupid lyrics and guess what people, so-called arrogant artist who thinks they own the fuckin’ world. Sorry… I rather spend some more dollars on Marilyn Manson or Indie…
I see what you’re getting at… but I’m not sure the art CAN be seperate from the artist. It’s a question I often struggle with, in terms of being an amateur visual artist.
I mean, when you create something, you should be able to place some level of seperation between it and yourself, because you don’t want your self esteem destroyed if someone critiques it negatively. But at the same time, it IS your art… and it’s part of you, your lifestyle and etc… and in some sense, it can’t NOT represent who you are, in my opinion, even in some removed sort of way. Because then, it’s just fake, you know?
In Britney’s case, I can’t tell, because I haven’t listened, and I don’t really care for her life, or all the attention placed on her. Frankly I think it’s a circus, and there are far more important things, but I digress. I suppose I would think that, if it’s good music as you say, it’s a sign that either she’s totally faking it, considering her lifestyle, OR that rather, there’s some good left in her, despite her confused life choices of late.
Hard to say.
I’m also not entirely certain I can call Britney an artist, as you said. She’s more of a product, in my mind. Even in her early days, she was entirely created by the industry… the whole “innocent schoolgirl” thing was fabricated in terms of what was marketable… so it’s hard to view her as an independant artist, as opposed to an industry tool.
ryc; Yeah.. and with Brit, you can certain argue for hours, hahah. Regardless of the control she’s had or not, (though I’m glad to hear she’s had some) It just feels like the motivation behind it ISN’T music, it’s money. That’s what bothers me about it, I guess. Regardless, she seems to be doing well, in terms of the albums popularity, so good for her, I guess.
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I am not going to judge britney spears because I know what she’s going through..I’ve been there. I know how it feels like having a bad break up. But it’s the way she handles the situation..she should stop being wild and start acting like a mom to her sons unless this is what she really wants. It just seems like she doesn’t want to be a mom..it seems to me that she wants to go back to the life that she had before she got married and had kids.
To be honest, I enjoy her newest single, it’s catchy but I won’t buy the album.
~Tika~
You should talk to this guy on my xanga named John White…you’ll see his pic at the top of my site…yea he’s a huge Brittany Spears fan…he wants his theme song to be some song she recently put out, i dunno what it is but…yea hes a freak for her, better yet a slave…
It’s all about Tom Waits.
Hah! Well, I’d rather have a guy who sounds like he smokes three cartons a day than one who sings through his nose, but that’s probably just me.
it’s hard to say..
sometimes i honestly think that it’s not entirely britney’s fault that she’s all over the place.
people scream and shout about how stupid she is trainwrecking herself and the media is making a circus out of her but i guess she’s just been under too much pressure and scrutiny to lose it like that. poor brit.
not a fan of pop though, so i don’t think i’ll be checking out the album.
her single is catchy anyhow.
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Got to have the drama! I’d be real dissappointed if an artist had a mundane, uneventful life.
It’s possible to enjoy an artist’s work by itself, but I think it’s much more interesting to know how the artist was inspired to create it. Not sure if this would apply to performers like Britanny. Does she write most the songs on her albums? Most pop artist just interpret songs that were written/produced for them.
I can only sing like Waits if I have a serious cold and have been smoking heavily…like today, actually.
and, you know, the proper horn arrangment for “God’s Away On Business”.
That’s okay, I don’t have my trombone anymore…bunch of my friends turned it into a bong, the drugged-up hooligans.
Whatever the tools she uses, I think she still sings better than I could…even if I had the same tools, so kudos to her. I hope it does well…maybe it will help take some of the embarrassment she’s been enduring in her personal life.
And I’ll take a listen and see.
Well, apparently it worked very well. But I could no longer practice any Al Hirt on it. They obviously had no apprecation for the finer things in life, such as jazz music. Too much Phish and Marley, I’m presuming…
All I know is that I can’t get a jazzy cover of Zappa’s “Titties And Beer” out of it anymore.
Much harder to play on a trombone, though.
I never could get any sort of decent “Dirty Love” out of it.
…that didn’t sound right.
I think that’s the problem with corporate music industry, it lacks the self of the artist.
That’s a great, great question. I wish I had time to address it. I applaud you for asking it, though.
Well, I think it’s important to take it into consideration when the artist has full control over the work, because those oddities and values inevitably come up in what they produce. So we might say that their art provides people with something to analyze psychologically.
Of course, I think that’s slightly different than saying ‘Allen hooked up with Mia Farrow’s daughter. I’m not going to watch Zelig now.’
Anyway, I’m looking forward to listening to Britney’s new album, mostly because I thought her music was fun regardless of what anyone else had to say about it or her.
I feel sorry for her….one tabloid back in the early summer said they think she is manic-depressive and if you look at her actions, it does seem to point to this….she needs professional help and probably a close family member to get her on appropriate medicine (lithium I believe).
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nice link to her streaming album. It’s alrighht… it’s not really amazing or anything, not that it was expected to be. The songs you picked out were probably some of the better ones.
Good question. Sometimes the life they live is what causes their art to be known. And few people boycott someone’s art because they don’t agree with their decisions, although it wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing. R.Kelly and Michael Jackson (I still enjoy listening to Billy Jean,even if i wasn’t old enough to like it the first time), Kurt Cobain and Jimi Hendrix.
On the flip side, many talented artists are unnoticed despite great music and talent, simply because they don’t stand out. I’m not going to give examples because what I feel is genious, others may think mundane.
Ethics unfortunately determines so few peoples lives any more.
I think its pretty reasonable to consider the source of whatever art you take in. It really does help you understand it and even maybe appreciate it more. When it comes to britney spears, I feel as if it’s just an image that’s being sold to us. Therefore, I can’t take it as seriously as I would some other artist. So, when listening to her music (which i definitely do on occasion) it’s more of just the music itself and not the person. Because I don’t think I can think of the person behind the music if the person really isn’t a major contributor of it, besides vocals… And because it’s just the music and not the person, I have to question how much of an impact it can really have… idk. I liked her single gimme more.
When it can be put through synthesizers and her voice can be manipulated, anything can sound good. I could sound amazing on a CD and I can’t carry a tune in a bucket.
Please don’t be so naive as to think she’s not a mental disaster. A composed, synthesized voice on a CD shows no reflection on the person it’s coming out of.
Well… hell, even Courtney Love makes good music.
Britney Spears loves the media attention. She’s done a lot of crazy antics just to stay in the news. Now her crazy antics are catching up with her.
If a celebrity wants to be seperated from their ‘artistic’ life and viewed in their ‘normal’ life, perhaps they should not have aspired to be so famous.
So no, I do not seperate the two. The celebrity is as the celebrity does, to me.
As for Britney Spears, she has a lot of growing up to do, but then again I guess she already had her chance. She will forever be known as ‘that white trash prostitute girl who shaved her head and shook her babies.’
I listened to her album this morning.
Actually I liked it.
Never really been a Britney fan, but I thought she did a good job.
I think you must consider an artist’s full self when buying anything they have to offer, since the artist made it.
Like say you didn’t believe in pre-marital sex.
If an artist is going around having it, somewhere along the line it would come across in their work, and you’d be en dorsing their product and the very thing you didn’t believe in!
(It was a bad example..But the point made sense to me.)
So yeah:)
good post!
People overdramatize her. The only reason why what she does in her life is such a big deal is because she’s a music artist (even though I’m strongly against pop, indie, emo, hardcore, metal, etc). Who cares if she’s a bad parent? She’ll eventually understand the mistakes she’s made. Who cares if she’s such a bad singer/artist? Some people like her…and as long as some people like her, who cares what other people think? Artists are just artists to me. The only “up there” person that I’m interested in learning about is Nicolas Cage. I’ve never heard of a bad story with him being a bad parent, getting caught with cocaine in his car, getting a DUI, killing dogs, raping women, etc, and if I don’t know, then I’m assuming that he doesn’t try to live above the law. Most people assume that since they are rich, they can get away with anything. That’s why the whole shebang with Paris Hilton I found hilarious (and thousands of people thought it was funny as well).
oh i am so buying this one.
I like the new look here. I will have to listen to this CD,I am not a fan of pop music in general ! But I love that you gave her a second chance!
That is a good question, but first you’d have to consider Britney an artist. I don’t have a lot of respect for what she does, nor do I think her music is up to the standard of “art”, even if she had written it.
But you certainly can take an artist’s personal life out of the equation and deal solely with his or her ouevre. Miles Davis was a wife-beater and drug abuser, but his music is nonetheless some of the most important to be written in the last hundred years. I generally don’t know that much of the personal life of the artists that I admire; I like to think their art can speak for itself.
Of course, in our celebrity-obsessed culture a person’s life becomes more important than the craft they practice.
I think people should leave Britney alone. Plain and simple. she’s only getting dogged on because she’s in the public eye so much, and yeah not everything she does happens to everyday people, but a lot of it does. I don’t like people give her enough credit, because she works hard at what she does. The fact that she even did another CD should mean a lot.
I think that understanding the artist- influences, pathos, and such- is key to a better and more relevant understanding of the art.
I keep hearing people say that her current album is really good. Despite negative feelings, I heard recently that the word of mouth is going to be strong on this album.
Looking for anyone with experience in med schools using art galleries…
I really liked your take on this whole Britney Spears ordeal. I think you’re a very intelligent person, and I look forward to reading more posts from you.
That being said, I think you make a lot of valid points on how we perceive “artists”, being musicians, writers, etc. We do take into account an artists personal life, and we perceive them, not as people who make mistakes and need to grow from those mistakes, but as an item in and of themselves. I’ve been victim to it, and I think, at some point, we all have. Not to say that a celebrity’s personal life doesn’t affect their craft, because it does, especially when they have explicit control over their finalized product, maybe not Ms. Spears, but certainly other artists of higher caliber entertaining.
At any rate, I think the problem actually lies within the conglomeration that music ahs become, the industry in itself, and our own self-centered views of the world, not necessarily with each of us, but society as a whole, I guess.
But back of the subject of Britney… I used to be a fan, and, now, I can’t say I am so much, partly because I’ve grown out of that stage of my life and no longer enjoy the pop-culture, wash away music I once did. I’ll probably end up downloading the album and listening to it, but I seriously doubt anything short of a miracle can bring back her career. I did see the VMAs, and she was absolutely horrible. I mean, for someone who really made their living dancing and performing, she let herself slip. Anyway, I guess my rant is over. Thanks for posting this so I could debate about it.
i think britney just fucked up really bad…. admit it, all her songs arent bad… its juss her reputation. everyone i know who has listened 2 the song has definitely wanted to get up and dance or sing along w/ it. shes not… a failure.
I’m going to leave this short and simple…
GO BRITTNEY!!!
<3
You know it doesn’t even matter what she does..she could continue to do whatever she wants to and she’s still going to be around..who cares anyways all the morons that talking sh*t about her act like they havent done things probably worse, their mistakes just aren’t magnified for the whole world to see.
i actually like k-fed more now. he’s actually the responsible one with custody of their two children, plus he had that great Super Bowl commercial!
The album sounds like she’s trying to a pull a Fergie-type thing.
She doesn’t really sing…she speaks and the computer repeats it forty times, like in “Toy Soldier”.
I don’t know, it creeps me out to hear these little-girl lyrics being sung by a mother of two.
But that’s just me…
britney used to be hot in that baby one more time era.
she probably need more space to be alone.
Well if what you say is true maybe she still has a bit of hope. ~sigh~
Listening this morning also made me think about how we perceive artists inside and outside of their work. I love Woody Allen’s
films, and anytime I mention work he’s been involved in, the
conversation inevitably veers toward his admittedly odd family life.
Does Annie Hall have anything to do with Soon-Yi? No . . .
But do you consider an artist’s full “self” when you take in what they offer? Should you?
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it’s harder to make that distinction from a film director who largely spends his or her time behind the camera working with an ensemble cast and a solo recording artist whose artistry is often shaped by the events that affect his or her personal life. i’m not saying a film director is not intimately involved in their craft, neither am I saying their personal life doesn’t shape their stories. but that there is still a level of detachment from end product (that is unless the film director chooses to insert himself into his film). with a recording artist, he or she is selling his or her voice, perhaps his or her face and the brand he or she has long spent time developing.
for me, it all depends on the artist. some I’ll just take for entertainment value only and not be concerned with where they stand in their social and political views. with other artists, I take into consideration almost everything about them, what they achieve both inside and outside the studio.
then there’s britney spears. personally, i try to steer clear of when she makes headlines for reasons other than her music. it doesn’t interest me. in fact it sickens me how much attention is focused on her for matters that are of a private nature. I change the channel when they discuss the custody battles. those things are not important to me. these are matter that involves her family, something that has nothing to do with me. she isn’t a role model or a fallen role model. parents should have gathered from the moment she stepped onto the scene that while she had tremendous charisma and appeal to a young crowd, she wasn’t capable of being a role model. the wholesomeness was an image. so to build someone up only to tear her down is revolting in its own way.
and her two most recent albums had little coherence for a number of reasons. the last album “in the zone” had a couple of club bangers and definitely had an eclectic, chaotic feel about it because (no joke) no fewer than a dozen producers worked on the album. you can only expect an album with so little coherence when you have so many fingers in the pie. then 2001′s “britney” lacked coherence because she was still in between Max Martin bubble gum and wanting to go for a more grown up theme.
so with this latest offering, it appears britney has come full circle with respect to consistency. “baby one more time” and “oops I did it again” were pure britney albums in that you knew what you were getting with the relatively wholesome image. but now it’s all “gimme more” and paparazzi wants a piece of me. So really, Britney makes it hard to not consider her full “self” because the content of her album in part deals with her present issues; she puts so much of her “self” into the album. unfortunately, the subject matter she chooses to cover does not intrigue to me. but i imagine this album can, from beginning to end, be in rotation at a club (or one of those trendy clothing boutiques) without the deejay having to do a single thing other than press play. everything is remixed, the bass comes in VERY heavy, very shimmy-danceable. “hot as ice” is definitely something i can hear as emerging as a hit from the drone that is the rest of the album. it has the bounce of “toxic” (2003), just a little more funky and not as light. i swear I’ve heard “ooh baby” before so there’s another potential hit. “perfect lover” sounds like timbaland got his hand on it, but i’m not certain on that. “why should I be sad” sounds a little disjointed so it’s a puzzling way to end the album.
although puzzling may be the right word with respect to what britney spears is up to these days. still it doesn’t take away from the fact that the latter tracks is what carries the album as a whole.
and that’s all i got to (or care to) say about britney spears.
Just browsing through xanga and the subject of your post caught my eye…
I think people should really give Britney a break, she’s hardly had a normal life. Sure, there are a lot of celebs out there who live a decent life – but we could say the same thing about us “normal” people, couldn’t we?
At the end of the day she’s just another human being trying to deal with her personal dramas and raising her kids as well as making money. So she’s made a load of mistakes, who hasn’t?
Her personal/family life should have no effect on the way we view her as an artist. She makes decent, catchy music and that’s the reason we even know her name in the first place. If people want to make a drama out of her personal life and use that as an excuse to bag her music then maybe they should just get over it and avoid listening to what she puts out.
Sorry, die hard Britney fan ever since I was a little one haha. Let’s hope she does get her personal life back on track ASAP.
Kudos to you (& to Britney!)
her new album is pretty ok… i prefer her previous abums…
i like gimme more from her new album…
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I’ll wait for the happy hardcore remix to drop before I ever hear any of this…
Fuck the album just give me the sex tape.
we, as humans, are fascinated by the interactions outside of our jobs. however i think woody allen and britney spears might be a little stretch to try and link. i mean you dont see woody allen on screen looking like he is all cracked up and cant remember half his the lines he wrote… then again we only see the finished products of both.
i’ve listened to several samples of britney’s songs on youtube and i will not be buying her album. to answer your question, as i see it, britney definitely has serious issues and problems in her life right now, but that does not compel me to like her songs. for me, in order to get me to buy an album, i’d want the music to be life-changing in some way, and for the singer to have some talent that i can witness in their songs.
as for “taking in” an artist, i do have an mp3 of gimme more, and i do listen to it regularly because it’s got a good beat, but it only goes that far.
The problem with Brittney, for me, is the fact that she just doesn’t seem to be into anymore. I mean, sure– when her very first album came out, I bought it. I was 14 & I loved it! What 14 year old girl wouldn’t? & you could tell through her songs that she really enjoyed what she was doing & was excited to be breaking out in a time where the genre of music was soon to kick the public in the teeth. Who know that a few years down the road this sweet girl from Louisiana would end up the way she has? But Life has a funny habit of doing that to people, regardless of celebrity or social status.
I don’t listen to her music now because I’ve grown up a bit & realized there are far better things in the world to put my ears to. However, I do agree with your statement that people should listen to the new album before they go making any more judgements about the woman. Everyone goes through some hard times… she just happens to be right in the public eye. But hey– bad publicity is good publicity. It’s when they stop talking about you that you start to worry.
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I like her knew song and I’ve never really been a big fan from day 1.
i dont care what anyone says … i still love britney spears!
Hey I’m also a random xanga person, I was floating around and I subscribed to you because I seen the stuff about britney spears, lol. I’ve been loving that woman (not that way) since she first came out back in 98 or so.
well ttyl! bye!
*~Theresa~*
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interesting post =] I am so not sure =/
Damn, I would love to get a listen of her new album, but I have dreaded DIAL-UP!
But I’ll buy the thing soon anyhow…glad to know I have something to look forward to with her new album!
I would like to inform you about “Ghost” musicians. They are paid musicians that get paid $300,000 (depending on the quality, skill, and demand) to record for another musician without having their name or ‘secret’ leaked. They are recognized by ASCAP and are basicly underoath to not leak what musicians they have subbed for. So it’s more than just Pro Tools working the mix down…
Peace
I still dont understand why so many people in the world still pay attention to screw ups like Britney. Her mistakes, made in the public, are going to affect so many lives. I’d rather listen to CD’s and make people who set good role models rich instead of people like Britney and Lindsay. They just can’t seem to correct their wrongs.
This is arguably her best cd so far!!
I am a huge Britney fan even though I don’t agree with the decisions that she makes. I’m sure she wouldn’t agree with some of mine either. This is arguably her best cd so far. I love that i can dance to every song on there.
RYC: I must admit, I am still a bit absorbed by the media coverage. Watching a person self-destruct is only alright when they are famous.
It’s alright.
But I’m still not buying it.
I totally agree with you. Britney Spears had always been one of my favorite singer. I respect her eventhough right now she’s not really in a good condition. I was actually surprised that she’s still able to release a brand new album while having so much troubles around her. She’s always a great person in me no matter what.
I’ve never listened to her album yet but I’m looking forward to it.
Well, depends on the type of art.
If the art is presented as art, that is, to be thought beyond the purely aesthetic level and even go into concepts of it, then the artist does play a role in how we interpret it.
Now, if the track is merely there as..let’s say… background music in a club scene in a movie, it’s merely used as an aesthetic tool for the purpose of the movie, it is not the centerpiece or meant to be interpreted beyond the superficial. More deeply one decides to explore the art, the more the artist plays a role along with how he/she came up with it. As it is, people often ask or wonder about the “motivation” of the artist when they look at the work.
Teena Marie will lose no sleep over it
I believe that no matter how great someone’s movies or songs are they will constantly be overshadowed by their personal life and how they handle things. Truthfully that is wrong because the product can be great even though the artist or person isn’t all that stable. I think that part of the problem is even all the pressure to be a certain way and all the photos being taken of them and invading their privacy. Technically every person in this world has a right to privacy and there is a huge difference between taking pictures of artists/actors on the carpets and when they are just living. It is like when someone writes a book or speaks at a school there is pictures taken to document the important stuff but it is not like people follow them all the way to their cars or houses and take pictures of them then. It just isn’t right and I think that we should go back to when people actually had privacy. I think the artists/actors would freak out less because they would be able to vent when they need to instead of building it up because they are constantly in the public’s eye. Everyone would be better off that way. but no one wants to go back to that because everyone thinks it is entertaining to watch what they are going through, but you have to think really would you want someone to document all of the hardships and stuff you had to go through in your life and judge you from it all?
By the way thank you for explaining the credits I really appreciate it and I hope all of it gets worked out.
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well i think i commented on this a little while ago, but i cant find it anywhere, oh well.
I like the new brit album a bit, it does sound like now she doesnt enjoy herself like she did in other albums she made, but oh well. Anyway i just wanted to say, thanks natalia for streaming the VH1 site so i could listen to it.
*~Theresa~*
hey wow what do u know, i found my comments lol. im such a dork, bye!
Teena Marie has a song, “Tune in Tomorrow,” from that album…it R
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Some of the negative hype is generated by corporate competitors. Do you know who owns her record label? Do you know who owns the network that broadcasts the most negative stories about her and her sister? Some of the hype is generated to increase controversy, and used as a maketing tool. Do you know about Illuminati programming and what they do to those who try to break free?